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Description of Patriarchist Bulgarians as Grkomani

There is a reference that I keep having to correct because another editor continues to misrepresent the content of that reference.

Reference 4 provides the details of Bulgarians who attended the Patriarchist Church. The editor continues to suggest that the reference describes these people as Grkomani. This is neither supported by the reference, nor by the evidence, That is, there are many people who attended the Patriarchist Church who did not identify with the Greek nation (i.e., were not Grkomani). Not only was the Exarchate Church restricted from expanding in certain areas (by the Ottoman State and the Patriarchate), but often people were threatened that if they did leave the Patriarchate Church, that their lives would be at risk. Given this context, it is entirely inappropriate and imprecise to label these people as Grkomani.

Given that the editor continually conflates attendance at the Patriarchate Church with being a Grkoman, the editor should be restricted from making this amendment. The correct designation, as continually edited by me, is that these people were Bulgarian Patriarchists.

The article actually notes Bulgarian revolutionaries as notable people from the village. By definition these Bulgarian revolutionaries were the opposite of Grkomani (i.e., they opposed them, and often by force). 2001:8003:D826:5A00:BC5D:65F1:1AAC:795A 10:11, 7 декември 2023 (UTC)

The text represents exactly what the source says - please stop „interpreting“ the source, it is as explicit as it can be. The editor does not suggest anything - it is the correct citing of the reference where the grkomani word is written explicitly.-—Алиса Селезньова (беседа) 12:46, 7 декември 2023 (UTC)

Description of Patriarchist Bulgarians as Grkomani

In answer to Alisa Seleznyova - please explain where the source says that the people of the village were Grkomani?

It says that they attended the Patriarchate church, which was divided into Greek and Serbian sub-category - this does not mean they were Grkomani. That concept wasn't even known to the author. Grecisants does not mean Grkomani. You're applying nationalist concepts which weren't in use by the author.

Look at the definition of Grkomani as linked. It requires that somebody have loyalty to the Greek state. The source provided makes no such reference. It merely indicates that they attended the Patriarchate Church.

To put it another way; your definition would be like suggesting every Catholic has loyalty to the Italian State - and is of Italian nationality. There is a very real difference between a Greek institution and automatically making assumptions about the congregation (particularly in circumstances where Bulgarians were actively stopped from joining the Exarchate).

Indeed, there is a difference between a Greek, a Bulgarian and a Grekoman. Definitionally they are different concepts. Evidently the source's author is saying that the Bulgarians of the village attended the Patriarchate Church; he makes no reference to the political positioning or reasoning for that attendance.

I would kindly request that you consider the distinction being made here. As somebody who has read deeply into this area (and who's family originated from that village), I understand very clearly the circumstances on the ground. My people were not Grkomani. 2001:8003:D826:5A00:94E2:3665:24E0:953B 23:56, 17 декември 2023 (UTC)

The source says it in the cited page - may be your grasp of the Bulgarian language is failing you, Grecisants means exactly grkomani an is even direct translation (identical even in grammar sense wtih гърчеещи се) and for sure it means grkomani more than „only attending the Patriarchate Church“. Not to mention that the attending the Patriarchate church are divided into grkomani and srbomani - if Grecisants means attending the Patriarchate church, does srbomani means the same, but there are two subcategories? All this is your wild interpretation and it doesn't even make any sense - the author wrote it explicitly.-- Алиса Селезньова (беседа) 20:39, 20 декември 2023 (UTC)